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December 23rd, 2016, 09:12 AM   #41
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Hahaha. Nope, she's scary in a Good way.

I for one dig the "mismatched" wheels btw. Almost as cool as my friend's WR250F that has a Kawasaki-green anodized rear wheel. Very survivor. (Am not being sarcastic!)
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December 28th, 2016, 10:07 AM   #42
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Rideable ice now, Älgsjön Gävle, track open tomorrow 11 o clock.
Its 200kms from here = close when youre keen to ride
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December 28th, 2016, 11:19 AM   #43
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I bet you can't wait to test the new geometry! Keep us updated
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December 28th, 2016, 11:28 AM   #44
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I bet you can't wait to test the new geometry! Keep us updated
You bet! Im like a five year old jumping around here
I dont have damp I have aspergers, idiots

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December 29th, 2016, 09:00 AM   #45
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Results are in! Had a lovely day at a perfect track.
Overall comment would be, why the bloody hell didnt I do that earlier!

What compromises feedback is I havent ridden the bike on ice for nine months making it harder to point differences out, new track for me plus I didnt have any of my usual ridebuddies with to compare to. Ill try and make it as comprehensible as possible with some of my thoughts I had prior testing and how the bike turned out. Just post if you have anything particular in mind.

- Will it turn/curve better/sharper?
Yes it does turn better/sharper

- Will it be more nervous?
No, funny enough it is a lot more stable now

- Will I feel cramped with the legs having the bike laid down?
No problems, even before there was no room, upside was half laid down as you can still touch the ice and use it much like a sensor rod, like you put the knee down in road racing.

The bike feels very planted and stable, I can likely go a lot faster with this setup once I explored the new upsides. Biggest wow was braking stability and feedback from that, I can brake much harder now with 100% control. The bike just does what you want it to with no fussing around, love it!

Edit: Did it need a different triple tree? Nope!
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December 29th, 2016, 10:33 AM   #46
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And to prove I did ride the ice today
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December 29th, 2016, 11:06 AM   #47
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That is my impression from my lower and stiffer setup too. Ofcourse it's not as low as yours, but still a big difference. Also good to know that you as a much more experienced ice driver confirm my experience
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December 30th, 2016, 01:36 AM   #48
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I would imagine that the steering is so light that it'll take just about any amount of trail you want? if you have no complaints about heavy steering then that is the proof?

the only thing I can imagine you'd feel is a slightly: 'hinged in the middle' feel now and again just dropping it in and maybe lifting it straight?

looks a blast!

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December 30th, 2016, 08:51 AM   #49
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Taf, its hard to put words on riding impressions as you know.

What puzzles me slightly is by putting the bike more on its nose I should now have less trail, shorter wheel base, steeper fork angle, yes?

In my mind it then should be more prone to head shaking and more nervous, but on the contrary the feeling is like it now has more trail with a distinct planted feel to it and the force required to push the bars increased a bit (which I like).

What is that hinged feeling? Can you evolve a bit pls and Ill try answering that.

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December 30th, 2016, 10:43 AM   #50
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I think the weight from the studs increase the centripetal effect quite a bit, making the bikes more stable. It doesn't matter how the bikes feel on tarmac/gravel because as soon as you are on ice with studs the feeling is completely different. Much more stable and "heavy". Maybe the studs that slams into the ice also helps to make it more stable as the friction to turn increases?
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