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May 28th, 2016, 04:37 AM   #1
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Oils and oil additives

I have been reading this site for about two weeks now and enjoying doing so. I never came across concentrated topic of recommend oils and additives. Most interesting would be if "old timers" would be willing to share their verified successful experience. What oil and additive have shown to be working really good in the Bergs?
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I do remember some threads

People on here who I trust really like Delo 400!

The Motorex Cross-Power stuff recommended by KTM in recent years is supposed to be quite good.

Availability isn't great over here so I go for Motul 300V and 7100 synthetic.

Then there's an engineer type guy that has a giant blog where he does oil tests. I can't dig it up right now. It's on Blogspot I think - anyone remember this?

If you search for these terms you may find some older threads. There was some good discussion on Delo just recently.

The important thing is to just change the oil often. That gets the trapped combustion byproducts out, and gets you an inside look at things ...
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If you ride hard (high revs) all the time don't know. A some time hard rider or less. Any good quality motor oil you can get will be fine. Just change it and the filters more often the harder you ride and keep looking at the drain plug (magnetic I hope) for metal bits. My off-road bike about each 5 times I ride it. Street bike each 1k miles but most time 2k miles.
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Being truck diesel mechanic I totally see why modern diesel oils, especially synthetic work good. They are very good where extremely high pressures are. Camshaft lobes contact is prime example. Synthetic flows better which is good at startups. Its also better at high temperatures. Rotella was always little bit thicker oil than Dello. Both very good. Lucas diesel 5-40 or 10-40 would be also interesting, its compatible with new mercedes diesel. Also I think MOTORCOTE is very interesting additive, promising... Another interesting potentially very good is oil for new volkswagen diesel,that one also is very good at withstanding extreme mechanical pressures, need to know ASE viscosity number - which they castrol don't provide. I think it might be less than 5-40. However currently European diesel oils are often 5-30!!! And recommended for mercedes.
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Being truck diesel mechanic I totally see why modern diesel oils, especially synthetic work good. They are very good where extremely high pressures are. Camshaft lobes contact is prime example. Synthetic flows better which is good at startups. Its also better at high temperatures. Rotella was always little bit thicker oil than Dello. Both very good. Lucas diesel 5-40 or 10-40 would be also interesting, its compatible with new mercedes diesel. Also I think MOTORCOTE is very interesting additive, promising... Another interesting potentially very good is oil for new volkswagen diesel,that one also is very good at withstanding extreme mechanical pressures, need to know ASE viscosity number - which they castrol don't provide. I think it might be less than 5-40. However currently European diesel oils are often 5-30!!! And recommended for mercedes.


Hi Polska, just wanted to comment about oil additives, and oil in general. MAKE SURE WHATEVER YOU PUT IN YOUR CASES IS RATED JASO MA OR JASO MA2!!!!

The JASO rating is for oil that is compatible with an oil bath clutch. Oils that don't receive this specification have additives that help reduce friction, a good thing for engines that have a dry clutch (cars and some motorcycles) but a disaster for a wet clutch. It can cause slippage, and once the clutch plates are saturated with those friction reduction additives, they are permanently ruined and must be replaced.

Anyway, most oil "boosters" are chalk-full of friction reducers so be careful what you put in your engine. MOTORCOTE is undoubtably great for autos and trucks but unless it was formulated for a wet clutch motorcycle engine it just might be the worst thing you could put in your 550.


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Hi Polska, just wanted to comment about oil additives, and oil in general. MAKE SURE WHATEVER YOU PUT IN YOUR CASES IS RATED JASO MA OR JASO MA2!!!!

The JASO rating is for oil that is compatible with an oil bath clutch. Oils that don't receive this specification have additives that help reduce friction, a good thing for engines that have a dry clutch (cars and some motorcycles) but a disaster for a wet clutch. It can cause slippage, and once the clutch plates are saturated with those friction reduction additives, they are permanently ruined and must be replaced.

Anyway, most oil "boosters" are chalk-full of friction reducers so be careful what you put in your engine. MOTORCOTE is undoubtably great for autos and trucks but unless it was formulated for a wet clutch motorcycle engine it just might be the worst thing you could put in your 550.


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Little update. Avoid motorkote oil additive!!! It is loaded with super slick stuff. One bike owner tried it and in gear it was just like in neutral! It is perfect for dry clutch engines. Oil stabilizer with no friction moxifiers.
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I did a lot of oil research for a previous project. A 'berg is a high revving modern engine with good temp control and roller rockers (so no sliding faces). Any top quality MOTORCYLE synthetic is good - Motorex, Motul etc.
Don't use car oil, don't use cheap oil, don't use snake oil additives and you'll be fine.
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Originally Posted by ksithumper View Post
I did a lot of oil research for a previous project. A 'berg is a high revving modern engine with good temp control and roller rockers (so no sliding faces). Any top quality MOTORCYLE synthetic is good - Motorex, Motul etc.
Don't use car oil, don't use cheap oil, don't use snake oil additives and you'll be fine.
I would agree with you about not using cheap oil. I was looking into opening my own lube shop while I was diesel mechanic and also did some research into oils however that was about 10 years ago. For me most important is what actually works really well and being proven in field so to speak. I trust "old timers" so to speak when they swear by dello 400. That version but synthethic other people swear by also and I tend to agree with them. there is also one oil stabilizer tried and tested with excellent resolts.
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I really like Shell Rotella T6. Could be the highest quality full synthetic you can buy at the reasonable price of $6/quart. And it is rated SM and JASO MA and MA2. What's not to like?


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I really like Shell Rotella T6. Could be the highest quality full synthetic you can buy at the reasonable price of $6/quart. And it is rated SM and JASO MA and MA2. What's not to like?


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JASO is for wet clutch? What about MA and MA2?
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