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March 6th, 2014, 05:58 PM   #21
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Re: 09 fe570 with 610 + cam

So my drilling rig is broken down and I'm on top of a mountain waiting for parts and being really bored, so here is my favourite photoblog the whole build,

Hey jas666 is there any chance that you could post pics of your big end rollers pin and cage please ? I have a theory about the failures.
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Re: 09 fe570 with 610 + cam

Ask Carrillo if they have the KTM 530 rod in the system, only difference as you know is the wrist pin size. May speed up getting something made for you if they did.
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Ask Carrillo if they have the KTM 530 rod in the system, only difference as you know is the wrist pin size. May speed up getting something made for you if they did.
Sure did ask them mate, they weren't sure about the big end 0.D. they told me that a hardened sleeve was needed and concerned that the material left was near or less than .200". But it's cool Travis from thumper racing hooked me up with a aftermarket rod kit, the bike is back together and I just enjoy riding it when I can and looking at it when I can't ride it

So my theory in regards to the big end roller track flaking out at the top side has a fair bit to do with the work of Mr Irving and his incredibly informative publication "Tuning for speed". In there he explains that the big end roller assembly is the most heavily stressed component, due to dealing with acceleration deceleration and the change rotaional direction of the big end relative to the crank pin as the rod accelerates up from bdc and then decelerates through the tdc dwell, then acceleration away from tdc in the opposite relative direction.

This becomes a real issue if the roller cage I allows to rub on either the crank pin or in this instance the roller track of the big end as the soft material I the cage will wear the pin or big end faster than if being rubbed by material of the same hardness. It makes sense to me as I had galling all round the o.d. of the roller cage ( didn't photograph the cage please if you have a blown up 70 degree bearing cage post up a photo please !) and in my work as a diamond driller I use soft compound drilling tools for rock formations of a high hardness and vice versa.

There is witness of the cage rubbing the pin in the photos on the last page, the damage to all 3 70 degree rod I have seen are in that area where the swing of the rod changes direction and so the rollers and cage must as well, if the inertia is greater than the friction between the rollers and track then there will be sliding or skidding at that point as well just to complicate things.

How to fix ? A cage of slightly smaller od with hard chrome plating on the bars of the cage to resist the rubbing action I would suppose.
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Re: 09 fe570 with 610 + cam

well if you go drilling for unobtainium using depleted pananoia as head lube on top of a mountain then your starting with a pretty high friction arrangement from the get go, as the depletion nears unity there is usually a juxtaposition of roles at the business end

some big end bearing listings http://www.pro-x.com/downloads/technical.pdf

so I got 2 questions

are the cages silver plated when new ?

and are the failed rods from 09 bikes only ?

gazza and others reported some rod big end failures in their 09 bikes but not the later ones, not sure what the difference was.
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Re: 09 fe570 with 610 + cam

The orginal cage was silver plated and in mint condition, not even a sctratch but the new replacement part was not silver plated.That fact scares me a little bit. In my world a silver cage us better than just a hardened one.I hope I'm wrong...

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Re: 09 fe570 with 610 + cam

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well if you go drilling for unobtainium using depleted pananoia as head lube on top of a mountain then your starting with a pretty high friction arrangement from the get go, as the depletion nears unity there is usually a juxtaposition of roles at the business end

some big end bearing listings http://www.pro-x.com/downloads/technical.pdf

so I got 2 questions

are the cages silver plated when new ?

and are the failed rods from 09 bikes only ?

gazza reported some rod failures in their 09 bikes
Tigers bike is a 2011
Berg fe 390 reported a failure on a 2010 390
Tourist has a 2010 that may be on the way out
And I'm not sure about jas666 what year is it ?

I didn't take notice of the cage, I gave the rod kit and crank to my " rocket engineer " friend as soon as I got it. Wish I had read tuning for speed years ago... Careful inspection and record keeping is in the first chapter.

Sometimes fluid gradient overcomes the formation fracture gradient and then bad things happen
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Re: 09 fe570 with 610 + cam

My wheeliebeast is a 09 with 120h.I bought it new so I can guarantee 120h.

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Re: 09 fe570 with 610 + cam

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My wheeliebeast is a 09 with 120h.I bought it new so I can guarantee 120h.

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Ha ha wheeliebeast, excellent name ! Thanks for the info, can I ask where you got your rod kit ?

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I bought an orginal Husaberg/KTM kit.

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I bought an orginal Husaberg/KTM kit.

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Interesting perhaps ktm have caught the problem and slipped in a modified bearing cage to address a problem.

Pro x lists 22.354220f bearing Silver flat cage
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