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November 5th, 2013, 12:04 PM   #21
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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

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Kris you have put me to think about this, and there was something strange about this, the cast numbers isn't a thing that you can easily change, so I went searching for the part numbers

This is what I've found about the engine cases part numbers (R/H-right hand, L/H-left hand):

== 89 - 96 ==
KICK ONLY
220 004 - 01 R/H - 89-93
220 040 - 01 R/H - 94-96
220 008 - 01 L/H - 89-96

WITH E-START
Right hand cases - no page, the doc has another page wrongly put there
220 031 - 01 L/H - 95-96
(my guess is that the first e-start was 95 ??)

== 97 - 98 ==
KICK ONLY
220 048 - 01 R/H
220 049 - 01 L/H

WITH E-START
220 046 - 01 R/H
220 047 - 01 L/H

== 99 - 2000 == (SEM-MKII)

=99=
KICK ONLY
220 059 - 01 R/H
220 049 - 01 L/H (97)

WITH E-START
220 058 - 01 R/H
220 047 - 01 L/H (97)

=2000=
KICK ONLY
????? R/H (no number)
220 049 - 01 L/H (97)

WITH E-START
220 066 - 01 R/H
220 047 - 01 L/H (97)

So the cast numbers should be the part numbers
This will not give you the exact year, but it's a first step to determine it.

Congrats Kris I guess you have won a 97/98 engine


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December 1st, 2013, 04:13 AM   #22
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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

FE 650 E 2003
engine no: 651 3 100
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December 4th, 2013, 05:03 AM   #23
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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

Hi and thanks P-son

Another to confirm the theory.

What would be nice was to have engine numbers of the same cc to compare the FE / FC / FX / FS versions.


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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

Long gone but anyway...
FS 650 E 2002
Engine # 651 2 147
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December 5th, 2013, 01:39 AM   #25
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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

Hi

Thanks Maddel, I thought maybe the 650 was the "65" and then the "1", "2" or "3", was FE/FC/FS ...

Maybe not ??, maybe all 650 are "651" ???

This is because I have seen one FC 470 with "472" and I had one set of casings that I've received from Taffy with "473", but I don't know from what bike it came.

Maybe with some more examples we will get to a conclusion ??


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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

Did not know, that 501s were producet even in 2004, I thought they were discontinued in 2003.
501 from 2004: 4-800*01234*
Bike looks like any other 2004, in every detail (e.g. Bleed hole for water in head, 2-piece left cover).
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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

Hi edelweiss

I also did not new, but thanks for your contribution, after I want to make a doc with all this info and need to have all the input from you guys to make it right.

Your engine number is already the ktm style, witch is:

X - XXX - XXXXX

X - Year - (In your case 4 - 2004)
XXX - Model - (in your case 800 - 501)
XXXXX - Serial

From the owners docs I only had 810-450cc, 815-550cc, 820-650cc, so this another number to add to the list.

Thanks a lot for your input, with the help of you guys we will get to a final conclusion


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December 14th, 2013, 05:12 AM   #28
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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

Hello.
Bought an engine with engine number 4513004, no head bleeder screw and SEM system. Think it`s a 450 but not shure about the year, it have an magnetic plug behind the oil drain plug.
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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

Originally Posted by jampe
Hello.
Bought an engine with engine number 4513004, no head bleeder screw and SEM system. Think it`s a 450 but not shure about the year, it have an magnetic plug behind the oil drain plug.
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With both SEM system and magnetic plug it should be a -03 which as far as I know is the only year that featured SEM and magnetic plug. -02 SEM system with no magnetic plug, -04 Kokusan system with magnetic plug.

And if I use my eyes just a tad and read Zaga:s posts I come up with... 451 = 450cc, 3 = 2003 so my guess is that 004 means that your engine is nr 4 off the assembly line.

I've previously heard that it was only FS models during 2003 that had a magnetic plug, but when I checked the manual all models should have them. 2004 - 2008 all models has the magnetic plug. FWIW in 2002 there is a space in the casing that I think is where the plug is supposed to be, but they never drilled and tapped the hole...


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Re: Engine numbers - PRE 2004 - Database

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It`s a screw in the front of the engine to lock it i upper dead position, so its a mix of different years of parts i Think.
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