berger

I am with Horto, why bother finding nuetral while running. I have never been able to find it consistantly on any berg while running anyways.
If you are going into the cover again you may want to try 15 carbide balls.

Taffy

ok boys. i am pissed off at the way i've had to sort all this lot out.

over the last three evenings this week i've dropped the coolant, exhaust, sidecover, tank, seat, waterpump the usual in an attempt to get this running just how i like it.

we started with 2" wave spring cs200L2. that's what i had last weekend and i couldn't get neutral and the bike felt like it had a slush (re; auto) box with a slow engagement.

since then i've tried it with a washer which was just as bad.

then i had the 1.5" wave spring arrive-cs150L2. so i tried the two springs along with one washer under the 2" (cs200L2) wave spring. this gave a huge gap as the revs rose and then a 'bang' as it locked solid-which was awful.

then i changed out the only rekluse pressure plate and put a standard one back in which increased the gap out from the 'middling' .040" to the 'maximum' .048".

at the same time i went to the middle setting in the rekluse list so out came cs200L2 (tall) and in went the cs200L1 (short) as well as cs200L1 getting TWO washers this time. the 1.5" wave spring stayed-cs150L2.

that was it.

it doesn't disengage until late on the deceleration. it hooks as soon as you touch the throttle and even then it LOCKS instead of slipping. and to cap it all i can find neutral again!!

remember, i had neutral before i started all this so i knew that i could get it back if the rekluse was going to let me. just a reminder to all that a good clutch drum is vital to an easy neutral.

setting as of today is;

cs200L1 -short wave spring
1.5"-cs150L2 wave spring
2 x washers on the cs200L1
clutch pack is back to standard with a large gap of .048"
20 stainless steel & 20 tungsten ball bearings

warning; if you remove the rod through the gearbox, you must remove the central needle roller bearing and it's two washers otherwise i feel they may fall off the end. there is enough space. this only affects those that remove the manual clutch.

to finish, i've adjusted the magura LHRB so the lever comes right back. this will give more feel.

let you know after i've raced on sunday how it goes....

regards

Taffy

Gix

Taffy......
glad yours is sorted...mine is too now.
I took mine into DCR for a problem with something else and the tech (andy) said he would set up the clutch while he was fixing the other stuff. He said everyone he's done so far have been bob on......as it was free I couldnt say no :P
It transpires he has removed one of the rekluse steels and fitted a standard, he also used the spring which is fitted in the unit as boxed(sorry,dunno the numbers) and one washer, 20/20 for the ball combo.
I rode it yesterday, instant pick up, full engagement and neutral easy to get...I'm well chuffed

Taffy

so gix, if i'd still been out there struggling the answer would have been the thingameejig, whatsisname that might have come with it, should fit!!!!

thanks for the help.

regards

Taffy

Taffy

Dam!

after racing yesterday the bike is now creeping along in first gear on idle at a walking speed! i wonder which part has bedded itself in now!!!!

BTW it was pefic whilst racing.

i'm back to std pressure plates yet i bet my .048" gap has gone. how am i going to get that freewheel back?

Taffy

Taffy

i've gone from the middle setting which was;
cs200L1 & cs150L2 + 2 washers

to the next highest stall speed which is a huge gap and not at all like they say "very near previous set up"

it is c200L2 +cs150L2 + 0 washers

nobody from rekluse has replied to my e-mail, nobody from rekluse UK has replied either.

bob, they're worse than BWs they're a bunch of FTs

cs200L1 & cs150L2 + 2 washers was the middle and perfect set up but i had too much drag in the paddock etc. no need for it and creates too much heat.

i may even have one of those rekluse 1.2mm plates scroll ground down to .8mm and fit it.

i still can't weigh up what each part does exactly from what i have changed. it seems to change the engagement point AND the take-up as well.

regards

Taffy

spiney

taff

phone Peter at Rekluse UK on 07979 360955, very helpful in setting up Gruntenbergs.

Now breathe.....

berger

For those interested. My set up on my 04 FE 650 is as follows.
2 wave springs and no large spacers. 15 TC balls 15 steel balls. The bike will creep with the 20TC balls recommended.
I have a few pictures in my gallery of the springs.
With this set up I have good engagement at about 1800-2000 rpm and no creep at all.

RoyN

Gents, just to add my 2p.....

We initially set up a 03 FE 650 as recommended in the bumphh supplied by Rekluse i.e. 2 springs with 20TC + 20 steel . We needed to add one Rekluse plate to get the gap to 0.035". This combo worked well but after a good hard half hour break-in the clutch required the replacement of another of the standard plates now making the gap at ).034" We also found that when the clutch was "loose" the engine stalled easily when jumping table tops etc.

The clutch has again had a good hard run (supermoto track) for a spell and seems to have settled down now although the rider advised it had loosened a little. Engagement is very good and no clutch drag/creep has been encountered so far (in both set-ups).

We do not seem to have encountered some of the problems you guys have suffered. The only thing that I can think of that I have done any differently is that the bosses were accurately milled rather than field down to the template as supplied. Logic says that this would'nt make a difference but thought I'd mention it anyway.

Taffy

went back to the short spring and two washers today. same set-up as last sunday. difference was that i removed 5 tungsten balls and fitte 5 more steel ones. so it's 20/10 at present.

i got a shock when the bike revved and then went 'bang' as it engaged way too high in the revs. i got used to it and indeed enjoyed the mild but clear hook up after the second session.

i think i'm going to have the lugs on the drum machined flat for prefections sake and i'll go back a stage for earlier engagement and also may go to 18/12 and see how that goes!

regards

Taffy