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February 17th, 2008, 07:15 PM   #1
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05 450fe or 08 450fe? is the price difference worth it?

I have a choice of an 2005 450 with 1000kms (not many) or a new 08 450. The issue is the $4500 AUS price difference. Has the 08 got that much of an advantage over the 05? are there an issues I should be concerned about with the 05? The 2005 model is in IMMACULATE condition - looks brand new and rode very nice. I'm looking to upgrade from a Honda 250x and like the bergs.
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OTTMH the balancer changed and the water pump oil seals and maybe some crank details as well as the bling and fuel tank capacity. Others will know more. For $4500 I'd go the 05 and spend the change on getting the the suspension dialled properly and the ergonomics set to suit. Get an OrangeBerg water pump kit if the seal leaks.

Use the rest to buy us a beer at the Force ride in May at Wallerawang.

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with the GST tax credits buying new through business - it brings the price difference to around $3500 ($3000 US approx). Still go the 2005 model?
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If you have the money to spend, I would get the '08 without question. The '08 suspension will be better out of the box than the '05 suspension reworked.

All the other upgrades add up as well.

It's hard to say is it "worth" it or not. At the end of the day, dirt bikes are fast depreciating toys, not investments. I say go big and get the '08. You only live once. If it is a matter of budgetary restraint, then the '05 will make you a great bike too.
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bang for buck the 05 is hard to beat, id say buy it and ride the wheels off of it, it will depreciate a little more but when the 09 comes out the 08 will lose value quick as it a brand new bike from the ground up rather than a few tweaks that are best appreciated by those that are already familiar with the brand and previous bike models....

but if it was an 04 or earlier it would be a different question in my mind.
05 up has the essence of what a modern berg is.......
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The tank is different on the 05 as compared to the 08, it's shape is different, as well as the fact you can bolt up a factory fan kit as the radiator has a place to put in a thermostatic switch too.

The exhaust is also different, the 08 has the Akra system that from what "I" understand is pretty versatile, it can be made quiet for off roading where noise reduction is a responsibility,or the insert removed for a closed course set up. It also has a spark arrestor insert available as well.

Again, from what I understand, the 08's at least here in the states, are coming with the richer jetting as well. Which is the closed course jetting listed in the 05 manual. You'd probably go to that set up at the very least anyway.

I have not kept up on the suspension updates, but, as JohnF3 says the suspension is better. So figure that into your savings as well.

What it boils down to is this, if you have the money for the 08, or the 05. And what are you going to do with it? The 08 is the final evolution of this model and I can't think of any problems that were had on the 07's. There are a few updates on the 08 to consider, like those that were mentioned such as the new water pump seals, but, your countryman Orangeberg seems to have a permanent fix for this.

Are they going to offer you any kind of warranty on the 05, or the 08? I don't like buying used dirt bikes myself, I got burned pretty bad on the first Husaberg I bought, it was supposed to have low hours, it looked great blah, blah, blah. The thing was clapped out, and I ended up spending about $2200 USD in 1996 to go through the whole motor, even the carb slide was worn out from the guy not keeping the air cleaner cleaned. So, unless you know the person who rode that 05, and know them good, it's a crap shoot as to how badly they flogged it and took care of it.

It's only got 621 miles on it and that's very little indeed. I'd have a look at the hour meter on the built in computer. If it's got 25 hours on it, you would think it's just barely broken in. Does it still have the original tires on it? Why did the previous owner sell it?

Sorry, don't seem to be answering your question straight away, just kind of thinking out loud considering all the variables if I was in your shoes. Hope this helps.

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when you mention the 04 or earlier, I am assuming you mean the 04 model, not made in 04? This is an 05 model (but made late 04) purchased new in 06 by current owner who is known to me and it has been babied for 1000kms (600miles). it has bash plate and handguards. Looks new and rides great. Is the suspension that good for the 08 model? I know guys who have spent $1000 on suspension upgrades on 05 model. That brings the two very close. I am 100kg - so will I need spring upgrades on either bike?
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Originally Posted by cookymonsta
when you mention the 04 or earlier, I am assuming you mean the 04 model, not made in 04? This is an 05 model (but made late 04) purchased new in 06 by current owner who is known to me and it has been babied for 1000kms (600miles). it has bash plate and handguards. Looks new and rides great. Is the suspension that good for the 08 model? I know guys who have spent $1000 on suspension upgrades on 05 model. That brings the two very close. I am 100kg - so will I need spring upgrades on either bike?
Actually the big change came in the 04 model, that's when they started producing them at the Mattigoefen factory in Austria, that's M in KTM if you didn't know. My bike was produced in November of 03, and the austrian factory influence is noticable. Further, that is the year that the Berg's started coming with the FCR carbs and the Kokusan ignitions.

Dude, or Mate as you guys would say. If you KNOW the bike has been babied for the thousand klicks it's been ridden, and she has been taken care of well, buy the 05. I don't know what the aus to us dollar is but take some of that money you saved, and get the suspension done straight away, it's going to be way too soft for you at 100 kilos. The only other thing would be to buy some different brass for the carb. If and when the water pump seal gives you any trouble, your countrymen Orangeberg has the permanent fix for that situation, so no drama's there.

And while you're waiting for your suspension to get done, throw on a good set of new tires with some of that money you saved and keep the take off's for a rainy day. Unless of course it's got brand new ones on it.

Contact Steve in this thread, he and I talked about a fella in your parts that does good suspension work. I think he's held clinics before as well. I liked the way he set things up, used the stock pistons etc, just changed shim stacks if needed, and set up with the right springs. Don't let someone sell you one of those langston springs that are supposed to be good for all weights from 70 to 160 kilos etc... and you just set the static sag at 35mm. That spring will coil bind and break your shock.
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The suspension evolves every year. I haven't ridden an 08 yet, but if my previous experience is anything to go by they still can benefit from a revalve. We are doing a suspension workshop at Wallerawang at the Force Ride and taking bookings soon. An 05 can be made better than a stock 08, no worries. Cost will be $290 for service, gas oil and revalve. Parts will be extra, but at a good price. You will need at least a rear spring @ 100kg, probably a 9.2-9.4. You do not need to spend $1000 on suspension. Anyone who does is being ripped off.

We talk about the 04 and later due to them having Keihin carbs and Kokusan ignitions. Some early 04s had ignition hiccups but that seems to be resolved. 04 and later are generally more reliable and easier to get right than their SEM and Dellorto predecessors, and I also think that the frame geometry evolved from the 03s as well. They were also made in Austria which seemed to result in better quality control.

The bottom line is that there are not many changes from 04 on, and those are mostly detail ones only.

Its your call, as its your dollars. Both will be a great ride. If you don't buy the 05, pm me as I know someone who is interested in a good 450.

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Yes Steve you are correct, the frame geometry is different, the head angle is one degree steeper on the 04 compared with the 03. I can't believe I forgot that!!

Those are very reasonable prices for the suspension work as well.
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