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November 29th, 2016, 07:55 AM   #11
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November 29th, 2016, 01:57 PM   #12
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i believe the "beefy" starter was meant for the '01-'02 models
well the thing is Ned, I don't want to take peoples's money under false pratences so I thought that that was being straight.

I sold a beefy to a 2007 owner this week. his had burnt out so.. why not?

but as our advert says: it makes diddly squat later on so don't bother. so saying blah blah "pre 1901" does me out of business because people take anything literally. the idea is to say what it fits but also (in the detail) mainly, "what it benefits". I have to leave a window see.....

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November 29th, 2016, 11:25 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by ned37 View Post
i believe the "beefy" starter was meant for the '01-'02 models
Will the R6/CBR600 mod not work on the 450 Ned? Saying that if the decomp is at fault?
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I checked the voltage from the starter while actuating it, and it gave me 10,6V even tho the battery was almost full. I belive it should show more.

I also took off everything:

Cleaned connections, took off and disassembled the starter. Cleaned and checked it from inside and put back together. The coals were good but the thing had a lot of black dust inside, could this tell a tale about it being in it's end? Or could my starter solenoid relay be faulty, has anyone had problems with them?

I also took off the valve cover, and the auto decomp looked fine visually and the spring worked. I can not say if the spring resistant is too loose, so maybe it slips off too soon ? How could I tell...

In the end no change. Does not crank over the compression with E-starter

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November 30th, 2016, 07:13 AM   #15
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Will the R6/CBR600 mod not work on the 450 Ned?
iirc, when i was doing my '02 650, i compared the starter to my '04 450 and it was different in length, but comparing some pics i took, they look the same. judge for yourself. it was a while ago. the pic on the left is the 450.
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the starter bodies on the sm-14 are all the same, but the mount portion varies in length.
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I have now tried it with a very strong battery, but it still has no power to crank over the compression stroke. It did make it tho once or twice with a lot of continuos actuating with no choke enabled.

It is almost as if the auto decomp works only once in a while, even it seemed okay when I popped the valve cover.

Is there a danger of valves hitting the piston in actuating the manual decompressor when E-starting? Does it open the valves enough for that to happen?
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I checked the voltage from the starter while actuating it, and it gave me 10,6V even tho the battery was almost full. I belive it should show more.

I also took off everything:

Cleaned connections, took off and disassembled the starter. Cleaned and checked it from inside and put back together. The coals were good but the thing had a lot of black dust inside, could this tell a tale about it being in it's end? Or could my starter solenoid relay be faulty, has anyone had problems with them?

I also took off the valve cover, and the auto decomp looked fine visually and the spring worked. I can not say if the spring resistant is too loose, so maybe it slips off too soon ? How could I tell...

In the end no change. Does not crank over the compression with E-starter
What have you changed since last time it did work? Cam chain and so on!
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Nothing, absolutely nothing was changed between working and not working. It worked very well the day before the problem started one morning. And the bike works really well when kickstarted and starts with ease, but not with the E-starter.

Now I have changed the sparkplug and battery, and done all the things listed in previous posts

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In a situation like this when all logic defies the end result most times its because you are looking in the wrong place.When you eventually find the problem it all seems so logical that you wonder why you did not see it at the beginning.
In this case I think you should look at what could be causing the engine to require more power to electic start it than to kick start it.
Possibly a crank or balancer bearing on its way out?
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