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May 10th, 2005, 02:53 PM   #1
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running without a battery?

is this easy or possible when you run the FE?

many of you will know that i ran without a kickstart at all for two years and that i finally gave in and re-fitted the kickstart. what has made me go the other way you ask?

well firstly, i may make my own airbox in the future and i don't want any starter motor or battery gubbins there.

secondly, whilst not out to PAY to save weight from the machine, i don't actually mind removing things that i don't need or use and in this case the ES is completely redundant

thirdly, i will never stall this bike on it's side anymore due to the FCR carb.

fourthly, i will never stall this bike whilst at corners etc whilst i have the rekluse autoclutch fitted.

filthily, you need to kickstart off the line with the '02s anyway coz the leccy boot likes to turn over a few times! so i need the kick regardless!

sexily, i'll sell the bits on ebay and go on holiday (ok, it'll only be to bognor for a day but it's the thought that counts!)

so tell me how do i run straight off like an MX machine?

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May 10th, 2005, 03:12 PM   #2
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Buy a new 2005 FC 450 it may feel better I did!!
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May 10th, 2005, 03:44 PM   #3
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Hi Taffy,
I do understand your point on not needing a electric start in some cases....BUT...The electric start is really handy when 1.you are up to your knees in mud 2.just too tired to kick start 3.in a position where trying to kick it will send you over a cliff 4.the engine for some reason it not a willing starter...and 5. it is just very cool to push the button and go!...In a perfect case scenario, racing only, electric start may seem superfluous but in the real world it can be a beautiful thing.....nsman
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May 10th, 2005, 03:59 PM   #4
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This may sound stupid....but cant you just unplug everything. Remove the battery, box and starter. Install the block off plug from an FC in the starter hole. Any wires that don't unplug could be cut and neatly terminated at the harness. There should be no issues with just removing the lot.
You may want to keep all the old parts for reinstallation before resale. The next owner may not see the lack of an estart as an advantage.
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May 10th, 2005, 04:43 PM   #5
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[quote]This may sound stupid....but cant you just unplug everything. Remove the battery, box and starter. Install the block off plug from an FC in the starter hole. Any wires that don't unplug could be cut and neatly terminated at the harness. There should be no issues with just removing the lot.
You may want to keep all the old parts for reinstallation before resale. The next owner may not see the lack of an estart as an advantage.

Taffy

This is essentially what I had done to 501 that you rode, exept that there is no need to cut wires, the electrics all run off of another separate, removable harness. Easily done.

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May 10th, 2005, 10:28 PM   #6
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Taff - Did you want to strip it bare or keep a few 'leccy bits intact? If you want a light or two you need to keep at least the regulator in the power supply. If the rectifier is seperate you can lose it & run lights off AC, if it is part of the reg then the lights run off DC.

I tend to agree that it might be worth keeping said liberated 'leccy bits for a subsequent owner.
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May 11th, 2005, 01:17 AM   #7
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i'm electrically iliterate!

so if i were to pull the battery off and the condensor and the leccy boot; it would run and start and be ok kinda thingy? yes?

i could look at the wiring diagram and be non the wiser but it doesn't matter i'll call out my auto electrician chum and get him on the case if i go this way.

just hoped someone had done it. fryguy can you elaborate?

i don't need lights and i don't mind the wiring being there but maybe only the wiring!

the first two responses were ummm-great

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May 11th, 2005, 01:54 AM   #8
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You can just pull it all off, even the regulator/rectifier, no problems. All you need to be careful of when you've finished are the right connections from the stator.

You will still be able to run your lights as they don't actually need to go through the regulator/rectifier. The only thing left that will suffer is the horn as that does require DC voltage.

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May 11th, 2005, 01:03 PM   #9
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I run without battery. The bike usually starts at the first kick warm so I do not need it either.

Since I need lights I run everything off AC. Unfortunately I need to re-install the battery and a new rectifier since I will use HID when I have build my new helmet/head light.

Many ask why I do not use the e-start so if you want to sell the bike in the future it will be easier if you still have the electrical parts. On the other hand, if you keep the bike a couple of years more the value of the bike is so low that it should not have any impact.
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May 19th, 2005, 05:06 PM   #10
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anybody wanna run through what i need to do to make it work?

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